Planting a seed. Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev at the Ratti Foundation

Marco De Michelis interviews the artistic director of dOCUMENTA (13) for the VI Episode of the project The Most Beautiful Kunsthalle in the World.

While the public seeks to infer the information, ideas, projects and names of artists that will create the heart of the next edition of Documenta to be held in Germany in the summer of 2012, its new curator, Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev, simply says, "I'm interested in working on procedures." Yet she had already revealed a cryptic clue; almost hidden in the attachments of a press release that the Kassel press office sent to a mailing list on October 29, 2010 is a letter signed by Christov-Bakargiev. In this era of proliferation of information, at the height of an epoch of paranoia, utilizing a kind of digital diversion—very few of us actually open attachments since we are all afraid of viruses—Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev planted a little seed along the path approaching the show, addressing a long text to an anonymous "Dear Friend." This fictional recipient could help the writer gather ideas and thoughts after two years of travels, conversations, stories and encounters with artists and intellectuals worldwide, to create a group of people with whom to share the progress of the show's development.

The letter is a starting point for a conversation in which the story of the Italian-American curator is revealed to the public in stages, which migrate from topic to topic. These are wide-ranging, from the reflection on the history of Documenta and the role that this event played in the social process of postwar reconstruction of civil society, to the theme of the relationship between globalization and translation, or the description of the work of Salah H. Hassan and the Institute of Comparative Modernities at Cornell University, to the exploration of some "composite ontologies," the study of which is the very object of the process of constructing the exhibit. There are also themes of participation and withdrawal as contemporary and parallel modes of existence, science and advanced technology in alliance with the oldest traditions, analysis of the terms of proximity and distance "rootedness and homelessness" as dual forms of subjectivity, and many more.
Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev
Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev
"I prefer to defer that answer," says Christov-Bakargiev to Marco De Michelis, using the very concept of "diversion" as an almost creative strategy of diffuse traces and notes that the viewer is instinctively invited to collect and recombine.

"Deferring" thus becomes a metaphor, if not for dOCUMENTA (13), about which we still know little, then certainly for its process of creation: organic, uncontrolled and open to change like a gaseous form.

"In an art system dominated by curatorial practice," it is the intention of the curator to "act without a pre-defined curatorial plan." The show builds as an anonymous and collective, singular and plural "murmur" produced through the work of a diverse group of curators, artists, intellectuals, scientists and researchers in different disciplines—anthropology, biology, quantum physics, philosophy, literature, art, archaeology—who are already part of the Honorary Advisory Committee, as well as a group of Agents. Like different software, the two teams are necessary tools for research and investigation, expandable over time—complex and unstable curatorial entities.
The first artwork of dOCUMENTA (13) presented in June 2010: Giuseppe Penone, <i>Idee di Pietra</i> (Ideas of Stone), bronze and stone, 2004/2010. Photo Roman Mensing.
The first artwork of dOCUMENTA (13) presented in June 2010: Giuseppe Penone, Idee di Pietra (Ideas of Stone), bronze and stone, 2004/2010. Photo Roman Mensing.
She adds, "Every my little intervention I gave during the construction of the exhibit is procedural in nature, but again I do not want to write an essay; intervening on procedure is simply action. I'm not working with the curators, I have Agents. "dOCUMENTA (13) appears to be taking form as a sequence of "artistic actions and gestures" which have already begun: Penone's bronze tree installed in the Auepark next to which was planted a real tree that will grow during the two years preceding the opening, or the 100 Notes—100 Thoughts, thoughts, notes and variations written by authors from different worlds that will be published and distributed in 2011, and that, as pointed out by Chus Martínez (Agent, Head of department in the curatorial office of the artistic director in Kassel), do not constitute critical space but a sort of "pre-public arena," "the prologue of an idea."

Digressions and diversions. The Como conversation, as the Documenta we are imagining in the words of its artistic director, will move forward "by constellations" crossing Eduardo Viveiros de Castro's Multinaturalism and the archives, floppy disks and notebooks of Erkki Kuriennemi, a nuclear physicist who founded the first department of electronic music at the University of Helinski. dOCUMENTA (13), as Carolyn Christov suggested in her letter, "is more than, and not only, an exhibition—it is a state of mind," due to the nature of its origins and how the art world has adopted this exhibition.
In an art system dominated by curatorial practice," it is the intention of the curator to "act without a pre-defined curatorial plan.
The presentation of the artwork by Giuseppe Penone,<i> Idee di Pietra</i> (Ideas of Stone), bronze and stone, 2004/2010. June 21st, 2010, Kassel’s Auepark. Photo Roman Mensing.
The presentation of the artwork by Giuseppe Penone, Idee di Pietra (Ideas of Stone), bronze and stone, 2004/2010. June 21st, 2010, Kassel’s Auepark. Photo Roman Mensing.
"Acting on procedure means leaving the artists complete freedom and considering the show as a living organism, and not as a representation of something else that is already alive."

The Ratti Foundation's "Kunsthalle" project explores both the present and looks to the future. And looking to the future, the dOCUMENTA (13) curator suggests, is to reflect upon the fact that perhaps the field of art will no longer exist by the end of the twenty-first century. "I'm not sure," Christov-Bakargiev continues. "Science and the humanities are redefining everything. Something that we now call art and that artists do will continue, but it is not certain that this category will still exist in the way we define it today. "What will it be? What will we call it?" I don't know and it probably doesn't matter. I'm more interested in thinking about how Anton Zeilinger thinks about reality or how Gerard Byrne looks at the world, for example, to try to create dialogue between them." It is not a question of a multi-disciplinary approach. "Is this perhaps more interesting? Can we understand more this way? Hear more? Love more?"

It is all very interesting. We await another letter, another seed waiting for June 2012.
<i>100 Notes – 100 Thoughts.</i> As a prelude to the 2012 exhibition, dOCUMENTA (13) and Hatje Cantz are publishing a series of notebooks, that is comprised of facsimiles of existing notebooks, commissioned essays, collaborations, and conversations. Commissioned by dOCUMENTA(13)'s Artistic Director Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev together with Agent, Member of Core Group, and Head of Department Chus Martínez, this series is edited by Head of Publications, Bettina Funcke.
100 Notes – 100 Thoughts. As a prelude to the 2012 exhibition, dOCUMENTA (13) and Hatje Cantz are publishing a series of notebooks, that is comprised of facsimiles of existing notebooks, commissioned essays, collaborations, and conversations. Commissioned by dOCUMENTA(13)'s Artistic Director Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev together with Agent, Member of Core Group, and Head of Department Chus Martínez, this series is edited by Head of Publications, Bettina Funcke.
Francesco Garutti
Writer and curator. Since 2009 he has taught Exhibition History at NABA and collaborated with the School of Design at the Politecnico di Milano. He was a researcher and assistant curator at institutions such as GAMeC, Fondazione Antonio Ratti. He was a lecturer for the AA in London. He worked as an architect for Peter Zumthor Architekturbüro in Switzerland. He writes regularly for various magazines.

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